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让我们一起热烈欢迎莱特币创始人李启威 (Charlie Lee)。
Welcome Litecoin Founder Charlie Lee.
接下来让我们正式进入采访环节吧？我自己玩推特很多年了，在推特上我发现您很低调。不过我看到最近您在推特上转发了 BSV 被下架的新闻，对此您怎么看？
All right. Let's begin.I have been following your twitter for years. I found
that you are quite a low key these days. The latest tweet is about BSV being
delisted. Do you believe Binance is really doing the right thing?
Yes, I've been less active on Twitter. I found that a lot of the chatting back
and forth on Twitter is distracting from real work and not that useful. Too
many trolls and haters on Twitter.
我认为 Binance 当初就不应该上线 BSV。BSV 是一个完全中心化的代币，CSW 不断攻击比特币甚至比特币现金。因此，我认为下架 BSV 这个消息给人们传达了一种信息：起诉比特币用户并不好。
I think Binance should not have listed BSV in the first place. BSV is a fully
centralized coins and CSW is constantly attacking Bitcoin and even Bitcoin
Cash. So I think it's the right move to delist BSV to send amessage. It's not
ok to start suing Bitcoin users.
Plus their plan to patent things and suing people with patents is just not
CSW is the total opposite of what everyone's idea of how Satoshi would act, so
I don't know why so many people believe him to be Satoshi.
You were active in the bitcoin scaling debate. Now as both small and big
blockers get their way. Do you think bitcoin still face the scalability
其实，很不幸，辩论还在继续。Roger 等人仍然在不断“攻击”比特币，声称比特币现金是真正的比特币。所以现在有两种加密货币，但仍然有很多反对的声音。我认为比特币的扩容挑战会一直存在。去中心化和扩容始终是一个 tradeoff （如一方达成，则另一方无法实现）。因为从定义上看，去中心化是低效率的，而低效率很难实现扩容。所以我认为 Lightning 不仅能维持去中心化还能帮助比特币扩大规模。对于比特币现金，在链上扩张最终将导致去中心化功能消失。所以，
*我 们要像 Lightning 一样努力找出既能维持去中心化又能实现扩容的解决方案。*
Unfortunately the debate has not gone away. People like Rogerare still
constantly "attacking" Bitcoin by claiming Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.
So there's still a lot of animosity even though there are 2coins now. I do
think Bitcoin will always have a scalability problem. Decentralization and
scalability is always a tradeoff. Because decentralization is by definition
inefficient. And inefficiency is hard to scale. I think Lightning will help
Bitcoin scale without sacrificing decentralization. Whereas with Bitcoin Cash,
scaling on chain will eventually kill decentralization. There's still a lot of
work to be done on layer 2 solutions like Lightning.
Cindy：关于 lightningnetwork，我记得您和 Roger 之前打过一个赌。
I remember that you and Roger had a bet about lightning network.
Charlie Lee：是的。打赌的内容是 18 个月内闪电网络（lightning
network）的商户是否能够超过 1000 家。我想 Roger 已经输了，因为 CoinGate 表示要为闪电网络提供 4000 家商户。
Yes, the bet was that there will be 1000 merchant accepting LN withing 18
months. I think Roger already lost because CoinGate supports LN for more than
4000 of their merchants.
Cindy：匿名币 Grin 现在很火，对此，有人说匿名币有可能沦为最佳的犯罪工具。想请问您怎么看待匿名币？匿名币除了匿名，您还关注哪些技术特征？
The anonymous coin Grin is a real hit. Some say anonymity serves as a
perfectcriminal tool. I’d like to know your thoughts about anonymous coins.
Besides anonymity, what are the other technical features you focusing on?
。这就是为什么我正在努力将 MimbleWimble 技术添加到莱特币的原因。这也是我们今年要做的重点工作。当然我们会一直跟上所有比特币技术的最新进展。
Fungibility is the only property of good money that is missing in Bitcoin and
Litecoin. Fungibility is the concept that ever coin is identical from every
other coin. So you can't discrimate against the coins you received. This is
not the case with Bitcoin/Litecoin because you can track their history. So
Coinbase can ban a user if it detects that the user deposited their coins from
a darknet marketplace.
This is not good money when there's no fungibility. To get fungibility, you
need privacy. So they go hand in hand. I think privacy/anonymity is extremely
important for money. And that is why I'm working on adding MimbleWimble (the
technology in Grin) to Litecoin. That's something we are focused on this year.
We will of course still keep up to date with all Bitcoin technology
Cindy：如果在莱特币成功新增 MimbleWimble 技术，比特币也会新增吗？
So if mimblewimble were successfully added in LTC, do you think it will be
added in Bitcoin?
That I don't know. We will see. But I do believe Bitcoin willbecome more and
more fungible in the future. Developers will work on fungibility improvements
：比特币的价格超过了 4200 美元，这可能意味着它已经触底反弹。BCH 也表现良好。莱特币进行奖励减半后表现会如何？现在是买莱特币的好时候吗？Bitcoin’sprice
overcame the $4200 resistance mark, which might mean it already bottomed out.
BCH also performed well. What will Litecoin look like as it is to implement
reward halving?Is it a good time to buy LTC?
No one really knows what the price will do. The reward halving might be why
LTC is doing so well price-wise in 2019. Maybe the price will go up more
before the halving, or people might take profit. It's hard to say. I always
tell people to average cost in when buying and average cost out when selling.
：莱特币基金会跟 UFC 格斗比赛达成合作，这消息引人注目。您能给我们透露更多细节吗？比如，是谁促成了此次合作？现在莱特币团队中有官方成员负责市场推广工作吗？
The news that Litecoin Foundation partnered with Ultimate Fighting
Championship(UFC) is very eye-catching. Would you please tell us more details
about it? Like who made this partnership possible, etc? Are there official
members of theLitecoin team working on the marketing and promotion job?
合作是临时达成的。我们的社区经理 IlirGashi 在 UFC 的母公司上班。他认为有合作机会就把我们介绍给了 UFC。我们认为这是一个增加莱特币曝光率的好机会。再者，UFC 等全球性品牌与我们合作，这本身就是对外释放的一个非常积极的、非常强有力的信号。实际上，他们在选择合作伙伴时非常慎重、挑剔。Litecoin
Foundation 的项目总监 DavidSchwartz 是负责项目筛选工作负责人之一。还有很多志愿者也帮助了我们。
The partnership was a last minute thing. Our community manager, Ilir Gashi,
worksfor UFC's parent company. And he saw the opportunity and introduced us to
the UFC. We thought it was a good way to give Litecoin more exposure. And also
it's a strong statement that a global brand like UFC would work with us. They
arevery picky in terms of what brands that are willing to partner with.
Litecoin Foundation's Director of Projects, David Schwartz, is the one working
on allthese projects. We also have many great volunteers that help us a lot.
：和 UFC 的合作肯定会给 LTC 带来更多曝光率，让投资者更有信心。好的，Charlie，非常感谢您的回答。接下来由 Blair 来向您提问吧？
The parternership definitely give LTC more exposure and give investors more
confidence. Thanks, Charlie, for all of your detailed explanation. Now it’s
Blair’s turn to ask you another six questions.
Blair：加密货币市场融资方式层出不穷，初期有很多 ICO，现在有不少 IEO，您怎么看待 IEO 这种融资方式？
The crypto space is full of new terms concerning fundraising. First ICOs, now
IEOs. What’s your stance towards IEOs?
*IEO 是由交易所审查的 ICO，直接在交易所上线。因此，IEO 的质量更高，更迅速且流动性强。所以从投资者的角度看，IEO 肯定比 ICO 好。*
这也意味着项目方必须要足够优秀才能被交易所选为进行 IEO 的对象。这种模式对所有人都是有益的。当然，IEO 也有缺点，唯一的缺点就是 IEO 和 ICO 适用于完全相同的监管机制。所以，如果监管机构开始打击 ICO，IEO 同样会受到打击。不过这只是我的猜测。
IEOs are basically ICOs that are vetted by the exchange and will be listed on
the exchange. So they are higher quality and will have immediate, or near
immediate, liquidity. So from an investor's point of view, IEOs are definitely
better than ICOs. This also means that projects need to up their game to be
good enough to be selected by the exchanges for IEO. So that's good for
everyone. The only downside with IEOs is that regulation will likely treat
them no different than ICOs. When regulators start cracking down on ICOs, they
will likely crack down on IEOs. But that's just my guess.
Cindy：那么您支持 ICO 或者 IEO 接受监管吗？
So you support ICOs or IEOs be regulated?
Blair：IEO 确实要比 ICO 好，用户们可选择他们信任的交易所参与 IEO。
IEOs are definitely better than ICOs, Traders should choose the trustworthy
exchange to join the IEO.
I think for consumer protection, they should be regulated. But I have no
influence on that at all.
Blair：以太坊正在努力转向 POS 机制，您看好它吗？
Ethereum is switching to the POS mechanism. Do you see a future in it?
Charlie Lee：POS 和 POW 是两种完全不同的共识机制。我认为它们都有自己的市场空间。
对于去中心化的货币来说，我认为 POW 更好。但对智能合约而言，POS 可能是更好的选择。但是不容置疑，这两种机制都有各自亟待解决的问题。我很期待以太坊转向 POS 机制后会带来怎样的影响。
POS and POW are totally different consensus systems. I think they both have a
place. For decentralized money/currency, I think POW is better. For smart
contracts, POS might be perfectly fine. But there are definitely a lot of
issues they need to work out. I'm looking forward to see what Ethereum does
：比特币将在 2020 年减半。大多数人认为，只有当比特币价格足够高时，挖矿才有利可图。如果比特币的价格对矿工不再有吸引力，那么比特币开发者会改变比特币的算法（共识机制）吗？
Bitcoin’s block reward will halve in 2020. Most people argue that mining would
beprofitable only when bitcoin’s price remains at an insanely high level. If
bitcoin’s price is no longer attractive to miners, any chances that bitcoin
developers will change the consensus mechanism of bitcoin?
I don't agree about mining needs bitcoin price to be high. Mining works at any
Bitcoin price. Mining is a nash equilibrium. If price is low, some miners
arepriced out and they stop mining. Difficulty falls and the rest of the
minersare profitable again. So I'm not worried about a low price. I don't
think the bitcoin developers will change the consensus mechanism and even if
they do,users may not follow. In the end, the users are in control, not the
developersand not even the miners are in control.
That's the spirit of decentralization!
Do you think it’s like revolutionizing themselves for crypto exchanges to work
ondecentralized exchanges? What are problems with current centralized
Charlie Lee：去中心化交易所有两部分。一是交易所平台的去中心化，二是无监护（non-custodial）交易所。币安等加密货币交易所正在努力成为无监护的去中心化交易所。这些交易所其实并不是真正意义上的去中心化交易所。因为在真正的去中心化交易所上，上币和交易都不需要获取任何人的批准。但是问题是完全去中心化的交易所效率非常低下，这就是一个 tradeoff。从业绩角度分析，去中心化交易所完全不是中心化交易所的竞争对手。但对交易所而言，业绩又是至关重要、不容忽视的。所以我不确定不久的将来会不会出现真正意义上的去中心化交易所。再说到无监护交易所，币安和 Coinbase 正在努力实现它。我们都知道，保障客户的资金安全并非易事，这其实就对交易所构成了一种潜在的威胁，因为如果一旦遭遇黑客入侵，交易所就会面临灭顶之灾。
There are 2 aspects of decentralization of exchanges. There's the
decentralization of the exchange platform and there's the non-custodial aspect
of it. Currentcrypto exchanges like Binance are working on
"decentralized"exchanges that are non-custodial. These aren't true
decentralized exchanges. With true decentralized exchanges, you don't need to
ask anyone for permissionto list a coin or trade a coin. The probelm with true
decentralized exchangesis that they are inefficient. It's a tradeoff. A
decentralized exchange couldnever compete with a centralized exchange in terms
of performance, and performance is critical for traders. So I'm not sure if we
will see a successful truly decentralized exchange anytime soon. As for non-custodialexchanges, it makes sense for companies like Binance and Coinbase to
be working on them. Holding customer's funds is hard and it present an
existential threatto the exchange because if they get hacked it could kill the
You travel a lot. Do you feel any differences between the western and the
eastern crypto communities?
Westerners see cryptocurrencies as money and Asians see cryptocurrencies as a
way to make money.
Nothing wrong with that. Asians are good at making money, but we are also
gamblers at heart.
Blair：最后，您对加密货币领域的女性从业者有什么好的建议吗？或者您对 499 区块链社群有没有想说的话？
Do you have any good advice for females in this industry? Or any suggestions
to our 499Block Blockchain Community?
Females are no different than males. You need to figure out what you're good
at and how you can apply yourself in this industry. As a community, I think
you should make some noise and let people know there are so many females in
this industry. I'm happy to see that.